"Oh, by the way, this isn’t my place, you know,"
Jeff Lynne is at pains to explain, while he waves a hand to indicate the
palatial house and grounds high up in the hills above Los Angeles. "It’s only
something we’ve rented for the Wilburys to work in."
Indeed
the soft Brummie voice - the kind of accent whose every
sentence seems to curl up at the ends in plaintive
apology - sounds a thousand miles removed from these
sumptuous surroundings. And leaving aside his spiralling
reputation for studio wizardry, you can detect in his
mild, bloke-ish manner another reason why the rock
aristocracy has adopted him as a musical make-over
specialist. When you buy in Jeff Lynne, you arent
hiring a sparring partner for your ego.
Currently
squinting, and not without reluctance, in the spotlight
of a promo campaign for his first solo album, Lynne is
one of entertainments backroom boys at heart:
"Im
not planning to tour because that aspect of it was never
what I wanted to do, which was just to make records. As
soon as I made my first one, in 1968, I knew that was
what I liked best; I couldnt wait to get in and do
another one. I never get this urge to perform. In fact I
used to find it a real drag because I used to spend
months on the road thinking, S***, I could be in a studio..."
Since
he drew the ELO story to a close five years ago, Lynnes
name has cropped up on the writing and production credits
of albums by everyone from Brian Wilson to Roy Orbison (whose
last LP, Mystery Girl, he helped shape into a fittingly
grand finale). And there he is, of course, as Otis
Wilbury, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with eminent
fellow-Travelers Bob Dylan, Tom Petty and George Harrison.
"You
cant replace Roy", Lynne muses. Its
impossible. Roy had the best voice of anybody Ive
ever heard in rock n roll, just magnificent."
And
yet, he says, the Big Os much-lamented exit did not
persuade the other Wilburys their show was over. "No.
Wed become this unit, we were all good pals. I dont
remember exactly what we thought. It was a real shock and
a horrible thing to happen, but we never went thats
it, we cant do that again. We always knew we were
going to do another one. And now its just the four
of us."
With
a follow-up album due around October, the quartet have
already recorded the basis of 14 new tracks; theyll
re-convene in early July to polish off the vocals. "The
Wilburys is not grandiose or anything, its pretty
straight guitar music, so theres not exactly a lot
left to do except sing all the tunes properly...Its
really quick. We write em quick. When youre
doing your own record you sit there going, Oh Id
better change this, change that. The Wilburys isnt
like that, its more thrashing and banging and
whooping.
"Me
and George had the idea for the Wilburys when we were
doing his album (Cloud Nine) way back in 87. After
wed finished for the day wed be having a few
drinks and listening back to the stuff, having a laugh,
and once we had this idea: lets have this group where we
have our favourite people. And I said, Ooh, Ill
have Roy Orbison and he says, Ooh Ill have Bob
Dylan, and I was working with Tom and we both said, Hey
what about Tom? Thatd be good.
"And
thats how it started, as this little idealistic
thing; if you could have who you really wanted, who would
you have? It was all talk for about a year, until George
needed an extra track for a single in Europe; we got a
few chords to it, got half the song done and we hadnt
got a studio to record it in. So we phoned Bob and said,
Can we come and use your studio for a bit? And we got
hold of Tom and Roy, and we all went over to finish this
tune that George had started, just to help him really, to
do it real quick.
"Anyway
the record company heard it and said, Oh, you cant
put that on as an extra track, youll have to do an
album..."
Is
there a natural divide in the band, between its US and UK
factions?
"I
know what you mean but no, it doesnt actually work
like that. Toms got a fabulous sense of humour and
Bob does too. Theres no problem with it. You never
go, Blimey I hadnt better say that because he might
think I mean something bad. Theres no ego problems
or misunderstandings."
Is
Dylan as - um - strange to work with as his legend would
suggest?
"No.
Bob is Bob, and he always will be. And thats why hes
Bob. Hes great, hes his own person, he does
his own thing, and hes amazing. Hes totally
himself."
The
queer sensation of finding yourself at work with a
childhood idol is one that Lynnes becoming
accustomed to. It all began with the invitation to
collaborate on George Harrisons 1987 comeback,
Cloud Nine.
"I
was having dinner with Dave Edmunds, and just when we
were leaving, late at night, he says, Oh by the way, I
forgot to tell you, George Harrison said he would like
you to produce his album. You what? When did he tell you
this? Oh, a few months ago...I eventually got asked down
to Friar Park (Harrisons house and studio in Henley-on-Thames)
to meet him, which was real scary, when youve got
such a reverence for these people, like Roy Orbison, and
George, Tom, Bob. But George was particularly awe-inspiring
because he was in The Beatles. But once Id hung out
with him it was brilliant. We got on straight away.
"Its
unbelievable really, youd never dream of it,
obviously. Theyd always be on this pedestal, but to
get to hang out and be pals with, and work with, and be
successful with them is fantastic."
As
well as revered veterans like the late Del Shannon
("My first gig, I think, at Birmingham Town Hall")
and Duane "Mr Twangy Guitar" Eddy, Lynnes
production skills were called in to service ailing pop
genius Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys - he co-write and
produced Let It Shine on Wilsons 1988 solo album.
Surely that was a difficult gig?
"It
was a tiny bit difficult, yeah," he frowns, and
shoots a meaningful glance out the side of his shades,
"but only because of the way it was structured, with
all the doctors and that stuff, and you have to go
through this chain of events before you do anything. Like
youd lay down a tape, a little rough thing of a
song that I wrote with him, and suddenly someones
got a copy of it and theyre playing it to the
record company saying, Look at this! Whats he
trying to do!
"No
foresight whatsoever. I knew what I was going to do with
it, but its like giving somebody an unfinished
thing that only you know what it is. Its a cryptic
sort of thing. They tried to cut it off at the pass but I
finally got it finished and it was really good. I was
proud of that piece of work; his singing is good and
everything.
"Theyre
all nice guys. Brians lovely. Its a shame hes
got so many problems with all these people messing him up."
Emerging,
these days, as something of a sound surgeon, how does
Lynne go about this "consultancy" work?
"It
depends whose the song is. If I sit down and write the
song with them, the production becomes apparent in the
first hour or so. But with Randy Newman, he already had
this song. Falling In Love (which appears on the 1988
Land Of Dreams album). What a character he is, always
putting himself down. He wanted a different angle on one
of his tracks, he wanted some guitar style. So I went
round to his house, like this vacuum-cleaner salesman,
with my guitar in my case: Hello? Mr Newman? Ive
come to do the drains.
"So
that approach is where youve got to get from them
what they want. But when you write the song together, as
I did with Tom a lot, the idea for the production stems
from writing the song." (Lynne co-produced Pettys
1989 album Full Moon Fever, co-writing several tracks,
including I Wont Back Down and Free Fallin.)
The
irony in Lynne being teamed with Randy Newman will strike
anyone who recalls a song off the latters 1979 Born
Again album. Called The Story Of A Rock And Roll Band,
the track has Newman hymning the praises of ELO: "I
love their Mr Blue Skies/Almost my favourite is Turn TO
Stone/And how bout Telephone Line?/I love that ELO."
Newmans style being what it is, the song was widely
assumed to be sarcastic.
"Of
course the press as usual said, Oh, its him
slagging off ELO," Lynne agrees, "but I got to
know Randy very well and I said, What was that about? He
goes, Oh, I had a terrible trouble with that. I was going
to send you a copy and see what you thought. I said, Was
it a nice song or what? Was it a tribute? He says, Yeah,
absolutely, I really loved them records. So there was no
other side to it - he really liked it and I think he was
just being silly."
Whos
left that Jeff Lynne would like to work with?
"Bob
Seger is an interesting one. Its just the time
element, thats the trouble. I know hed like
to work with me and Id like to work with him
because hes got a great voice and does great songs.
Maybe Ill be able to help him out on his next album.
"The
trouble is, all the ones Im really enthusiastic
about are dead. Its terrible. The ones I dreamed of
working with, Roy Orbison and Del Shannon, have died in
this past year. But theres newer ones Id like
to work with and try and make them sound better, without
mentioning any names.
"What
I could give them is this experience which Ive got
now as a producer. I know what works and what doesnt,
and I could save them months of f****** about, because I
think if I have any gift, its that I can pick out
the bits thatll last, the bits that are memorable.
A lot of songs, you go, Oh they should have had that bit
in there, or moved it there and made it twice as long,
and it would have been a big hit, or a nicer song."
Lynnes
own apprenticeship was served scuffling around the 1960s
Birmingham beat circuit. His first group of any note was
The Idle Race (his production debut came with their
second album); the bands 1968 slice of George
Formby-esque whimsynweirdness, Skeleton And
The Roundabout, is still prized by connoisseurs of
British pop-psychedelia. In 1970 he was lured away by
fellow Brumster Roy Wood, joining The Move for the
closing phase of their career (taking in the hits
Brontosaurus and Chinatown, and one impressively durable
album Message From The Country).
From
the outset, though, Wood and Lynne were hatching plans
for a project to supersede The Move. In 1972, they
launched a rock-with-strings concept called The Electric
Light Orchestra - or, to give its full title, ELO.
"At
the experimental start of ELO - The Move was still going,
just hanging on by the skin of its teeth - we didnt
know what we were doing. It was like, Oh lets have
a cello, and Roy learned these cellos, scraping away,
really great fun."
Their
inaugural gig, at the Croydon Greyhound, was a shambles.
"I
was probably too drunk to notice. In those days you
couldnt hear anything because there was no way of
amplifying the cellos and stuff. So we used to have this
habit of going down the pub for quite a long time before
we went on - it numbed the pain a bit."
Curiously,
the ELO adventure had barely begun when Roy Wood left, to
form Wizzard. Lynne still looks puzzled when he considers
his partners abrupt departure: I dont know.
We were both sort of producers, and it got to the point
where youd go to the studio and itd be who
could get to the desk first: Im doing this bit! And
it got to be childish, really. And hed already
formed this other group, Wizzard, without telling us.
There was no notice. He said, Ive got this other
group now, see ya!
"So
we werent friends for a little while, but were
good pals again now. I still see Roy occasionally, in
fact I just produced a couple of tracks for him. I dont
know what hes going to do with them, we just did
them in my studio for a laugh, just to work together
again."
ELO,
meanwhile, lurched on through the 70s to become one
of the biggest acts of the decade.
"It
wasnt an overnight thing. The fourth album suddenly
went gold in America, that was the one with all the big
strings on. I was looking to try and make a bigger sound.
Id been busy trying to track this one violin and
cello for hours, to make it sound like an orchestra, and
so I said, F*** it, lets have an orchestra. It was
pretty ambitious thing - Eldorado it was called - and it
was almost impossible to play on stage, so what happened
was, for intros and stuff, to pretend there was a big
sound I used to use tapes, like Beethovens 5th, and
then it would just be the group again. You needed
something because it had this grandiose name, the
Orchestra, and really it was just this group with a cello
in it.
"My
producers head wouldnt let me enjoy it. I mean, it
was always fun, you could have a laugh and get drunk and
mess about, but I wasnt getting any pleasure out of
playing: (mimes playing guitar and looking at watch) Oh,
only another half hour to go. It just got to be a ritual
in the end, and it started driving me crackers. We had
loads of success - 19 Top 40 hits in America, and all
that stuff - and Im grateful to all the people that
liked it, but that wasnt what I was doing it for."
ELO
peaked, in Lynnes view, with the late 70s
albums, A New World Record and Out Of The Blue. "There
was no way of following that, but there were contracts to
fulfil, so I was forced to do things I didnt want
to do, just because of signing bits of paper when you dont
know what youre doing: Sign that? Oh yeah, of
course, thank you! You can have 50 quid and all the brown
ale you can drink. You dont realise what youre
getting into. So it turned out I had to do another 93
albums for ELO!!!
"And
as soon as I was free of the last one (in 1986), it was
right at the time that George called me, after Dave
Edmunds had given him the number. It was exactly the
right time. It turned out fantastic in the end. Georges
album was a big hit, he had a number 1 in America. So
that was the start of my new career and my new attitude,
probably, cos I was enjoying it again."
Ensconced
with George on the Cloud Nine album, the pair were
visited by Warner executives, who suggested Lynne make
his own album for them....hence Armchair Theatre, the
solo debut, appearing this month: "Its natural,
all done by hand, no sequencing, no digital bits. Its
made like a proper record with drums, bass, guitars,
pianos, which I love to do. Cos I went through all
that digital period, learning how to be a typist, pushing
all these buttons, and it drove me mad. Thats not
music, its a computer thing. Im not
interested.
"The
main thing is just doing it, and having somebody asking
me to do it, and giving me money to do it, I think thats
brilliant. I can only be grateful."
Source of interview unknown.